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Peter Gerdes's avatar

Those talks are interesting and make some valuable points but I don't think they really address the elephant in the room. For a no collapse interpretation of QM to be correct the importance of macroscopic superposition states to empirical validity must be derived not assumed and the theory on its own can't explain why these states should play any special role in predictions.

And it's not enough merely to just identify some special mathematical property these states have with respect to the dynamics but -- unless it wants to add that as an extra physical principle undermining the claimed simplicity of no-collapse views -- you need to explain why that property is the one that should be relevant to making predictions.

To sharpen the problem note that given some complete wave-function in some Hilbert space describing the universe I can decompose the wavefunction into an infinitary sum in a whole lots of ways. Indeed, it's relatively trivial to decompose a function under an L^2 (and I suspect L^p for any p \geq 1) metric into a sum of functions which intuitively implement whatever Turing machine I want*. And it's not a priori obvious that the decomposition into something like semi-classical histories is the one you should use to figure out what observations to predict rather than some jury rigged decomposition into Turing machines implementing whatever observer you feel like.

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*: Basically, we use translations, negations and scalings of a function which intuitively describes the operation of the Turing machine to sum to the desired function. The fact that it's possible is basically just the same result about the fact that Lebesque measure lets us approximate integrals with square functions. Just make sure that the level you use to encode a 1 decreases as both t and the square of the tape it's on increase so it's like integrating using square approximations. And with a linear dynamics if we converge to the overall solution in norm then the infinite sum is a solution and we can regard the partial sums as approximate solutions with everything behaving nicely.

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George H.'s avatar

I'm a physics experimentalist and have never worried (thought much) about QM interpretations. Use which ever model makes it easier for you to do a calculation. (whatever works for you.) As far as measurement and wave function collapse; The simplest process for me to think about is starting with a photon and an electron, and then ending with no photon and the electron in a higher energy state.* And as far as I know we have no model for that process.... how the heck do you cram a big photon into an electron state? Or am I somehow misunderstanding the wavefunction collapse?

*Isn't there also a wave function creation problem? Where there is first no photon and then an electron in a lower energy state and one more photon. A new wavefunction.

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